Gen4Resin

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Chester69
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Thanks for the advice lads most appreciated, I'll be back with an update soon ,may even do a vid ......
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Think I've just watched on u-tube a video that stan m has done on a long decal ! a Scottish man ( alba rods ) ...
Could be wrong , but very helpful video ....
Stan is that you ?....
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PierPoint
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Hi, also just posted a resin over decal video on YouTube - https://youtu.be/Nh9Uvw_Flgw
Chester69
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Morning , just watched that video ,brilliant Mr pier , good to see an experienced rod builder putting vids out there keep up the fantastic work ....& thanks .......
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Thanks for the feedback, appreciated.
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Chester69 wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:25 pm Think I've just watched on u-tube a video that stan m has done on a long decal ! a Scottish man ( alba rods ) ...
Could be wrong , but very helpful video ....
Stan is that you ?....
Yes that`s me. I`m offended, did you just assume I was Scottish and a man :o
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Created a thread on Facebook about the Gen4Resin , here is the link.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... _ucAOclPMf
Chester69
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StanM wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:41 am
Chester69 wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:25 pm Think I've just watched on u-tube a video that stan m has done on a long decal ! a Scottish man ( alba rods ) ...
Could be wrong , but very helpful video ....
Stan is that you ?....
Yes that`s me. I`m offended, did you just assume I was Scottish and a man :o
No ,, that old grey haired bloke could have been anyone ! 😉,, I'm sure I've spoke to you before on wsf ,,, about that bloody pimple wrap lol 😆.......
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PierPoint
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The Technical detail for Gen4Resin

Gen 4 was developed with a different set of goals in mind than
ThreadMaster was back in 2005. The main goal with ThreadMaster was to
prolong the onset of photo-degradation (yellowing) as long as
possible....which we did. It has VERY good UV resistance. The problem is
that no epoxy on the planet is immune to photo-degradation. They all end
up in a very similar if not identical place eventually. There is simply
no way around it, as it's an artifact of the polyamid chemistry in the
hardener. FlexCoat and Diamond 2 will reach maximum yellowing in as
little as 3 days of 24 hour exposure, while ThreadMaster might take a
couple of months....but eventually they all look similar. I decided at
the outset of this that we would do what we could to prolong the onset
of photo-degradation, but NOT at the expense of other performance
properties which unlike UV resistance ARE controllable, namely air
release and surface tension characteristics. What you will and with Gen
4 is that it does a lot of things better than any other finish on the
market, and few things very similar to other finishes on the market.
Like anything developing a guide wrap coating is all about compromise,
and in order to get some things you have to give up others.

The three big differences are as follows.

Gen 4 has the most forward thinking air release protocol on the market.
And not only does it facilitate the release of trapped bubbles, it also
provides a level of resistance to trapping air during the mixing process
that is second to none. As one user put it, it is "shocking" to see
virtually no bubbles in the cup after mixing for 3 minutes.

Gen 4 has an extended pot life over the others at 30-35 minutes. The
reason for this that the air release protocol can only work its magic as
long as the mixture stays viscous enough for air to move through the
resin column to reach the surface. Once the viscosity reaches a point
where its too thick, the bubbles are trapped forever. We pushed the pot
life to about 35 minutes to give the air release chemistry to work its
magic for a longer period of time.

Gen 4 has very unique surface tension characteristics that are the
result of a specialized Part A resin. If applied within the parameters
of acceptable practices, Gen 4 requires very little manipulation to
achieve an almost perfectly flat mirror like finish. Its probably the
most user friendly finish on the market.

I get asked about UV resistance a lot, and the fact is that Gen 4 falls
somewhere between FlexCoat and the ThreadMaster. But when evaluating UV
resistance one must take into consideration much more than "how quickly
does it yellow". We also want to know what is the intensity of the
discoloration, does it crack and check under prolonged UV exposure, what
is the reduction in depth of image (gloss retention). While Gen 4 does
yellow quicker than ThreadMaster, the intensity of the yellowing over
time is identical, and the reduction in gloss retention with
ThreadMaster is worse than Gen 4 over time. What we found is that the
addition of more UV inhibitor DID reduce the rate of onset of yellowing,
it also reduced the effectiveness of the air release and surface tension
characteristics to a degree I was not comfortable with. These were two
attributes I was NOT willing to compromise since all epoxies
photo-degrade to about the same level over time ANYWAY. Having said that
we are currently experimenting with two new UV packages that show a lot
of promise in terms of not interfering with the other properties of the
finish. I would love to push the onset of photo-degradation as long as
possible, but ONLY if we can do it without compromising the other
qualities of the system.

As an interesting side note, we tested Gen 4 against ThreadMaster for UV
resistance under artificial high intensity UV lights, as well as natural
sunlight. Interestingly enough ThreadMaster yellowed FAR FAR quicker
than Gen 4 under the artificial UV light. After 1000 hours Gen 4 was
still virtually water clear with just the slightest shift in clarity.
ThreadMaster however had a noticeable and obvious yellow tint,
especially around the edges where there was an almost brown colored
ring. Under natural sunlight however, the results were reversed a little
bit. ThreadMaster did better under natural sunlight with a slower onset
of yellowing, but ended up nearly identical to Gen 4 within 90 days on
our test panel. This would speak to different polyamid chemistries being
either more or less sensitive to certain wavelengths of light that
others are not.
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PierPoint
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The Gen4Resin is now en route from the USA and will be available in the UK in about 2 weeks time.
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